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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 19, 2007 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, "boring"]

So far.. I have let in a lot of dark stars into my mind... ones that get kinda slow and quiet even.. I feel like a lot of the shorter more succinct dark stars from early on (mostly '69) are wilder than some versions like from '73 and such.. One dark star that I'm sure will always stay with me is 8/27/72. Maybe I'm just accustomed to it from repeated play of it.. but wow! they never let up.. even at the ending.

what dark star are you attached to, and why?

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

1973-11-11 (Winterland) "Why am I attached to it?" I'm not; it attached itself to me. --- AshesRising

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

"Who is this band and why are they following me around"?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

fukengruven!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Aug 20, 2007 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

My mom hated that sticker on my back bumper.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Hey Max....

Dark Stars for me are often ruined by what I call the "Spinal Tap" effect...that is, they can jazzy and interesting and jamming and great BUT THEN there comes a point where they get into this (to me) ridiculous, pointless atonal "space-junk"...i.e., when Phil starts playing loud, reverberating single bass notes over and over, and then maybe Jerry adds some annoying feedback, etc., etc., and this goes on for several minutes...I find that very boring...I know for many DeadHeads what I'm saying is blasphemous, b/c that's what they love about DS (what's often called "gooey"). At any rate, many '72-'74 DarkStars suffer from this malady, so i usually avoid them..

But I have found that there are Dark Stars from the late 70's that avoid this trap, and two of may favorite are 12/31/78 ("Farewell to Winterland"), and also one from one of my Top 10 Dead shows of all time 1/10/79 at Nassau Coliseum.

Give these 2 a listen..it may not float your boat the way a '73 DS does, but I promise you, they;'re never "boring"!

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Aug 20, 2007 5:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

WHOA!!! I think you may be the 1st person I've ever heard that said the '72-'74 DS's aren't enjoyed very much by you. For me, this was when they were pefromed at their best.

2/15/73 in Wisconsin is cosmic bliss @ it's finest. But it's all apples & oranges isn't it?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 20, 2007 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Indeed apples & oranges...

BUT the thing is, I DO love many of those '72-'74 'Stars...up to a point. The classic 11/11/73 DarkStar is a perfect example....up to the section where Jerry sings the verse, it's beautiful....jazzy, etherial, jamming, interesting...and then after Jerry sings, Phil starts banging away on his bass w/no one else playing, some atonal feedback pours in, and to my ears it's just a lot of annoying noise--it ceases to be a song. Most of the DS's of that era follow that pattern (as do many of the PITB's), and some love it...but i'm much more interested in the parts that are--well, more musical.

That's why the DS from 12/31/78, th 1/10/79 and the '84 Greek Theater encore are to me, better Dark Stars.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

My God, my good friend...we do agree on this (har, we have on other points as well; been a while though!).

This is one of the main reasons I prefer the 68-70 versions. I know, I know, often not as complex (some in 68 are down right redundantly simplistic), but far more satisfying for me.

I have tried and tried to listen to the 72-74 versions of DS and not one have them has been played more than twice (ie, I think I may not have gotten it the first time on a CLIFF or GOP recommendation, so I play it at least once more...and never again...yet.). I have listened to some from 68, 69 or 70 literally dozens of times...

Oh well; keeps us talking, eh?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 20, 2007 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Yep--talking is good!

It's amazing listening to some of those infancy DarkStars from '68, etc....they seem so innocent in a way...but they're great! I mean, one need look no further than the legendary Live/Dead (which i guess is '69, but you get my point)...there was something about that TC organ sound that welcomes the beginning of the song and kind of loops it along--it's really very bright and cheery (odd for "Dark Star") but again, more musical and for that reason satisfying.

I know this is your favorite era, but do try some of those late 70's suggestions...the 12/31/78 Farewell to Winterland, which flows into a terrific "Other One", is especially brilliant.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Ah yes--do have a smattering of DS--OO, and the like from 77 & 78 that I found different, but interesting. Recommendations from folks here when I first arrived sometime in the early paleolithic era. Will dig (har) those out.

Thanks.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Nice call on those 2 dark stars. I agree 100% with your comments. The surprise encore on 7/13/84 in my favorite Dark Star. Very focused, energetic and hearing the audience go nuts doesn't hurt.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 20, 2007 5:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Would love to have been at that '84 Greek show....another great example of a more listen-able DarkStar!

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Poster: sel2ims Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

I'll agree, a personal favorite of Bellski's due to the fact he was developing space and communicated with a lucky man.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Aug 20, 2007 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

grendelschoice: ...that's one of the primary reasons the Winterland 11-11 stuck to me --- no "feedback," etc to shatter the transitive nightfall of diamonds. "Closing of Winterland" and the encore from Friday, the 13th (1984), at the Greeks are two other favorites. --- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 19, 2007 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Babbled on about this many times, but just in case you missed it.

9-19-70: the last 11 mins are amazing. Jerry's tone as he builds from quiet, barely audible notes to blazing sound of electric fury in the final, pre second verse solo is never again equaled.

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Poster: walterbedingfield415 Date: Aug 19, 2007 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

12/6/73 is a personal favorite of mine. Copious amounts of space. Before and after verse.

I also like 04/28/71 for the reasons you mention above. While its much shorter than others from following years (~14min.) it packs a lot of music into those 14min.

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Aug 20, 2007 11:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

dicks picks 2 (10/31/71)

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Poster: Poicephalus Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Some favorites:

2-27-69 (still a classic)
7-7-69 (very intense version)
4-8-72 (loved it since the Glastonbury Faire album)
4-14-72
9-21-72 (crazy "bluegrass MLB Jam")
2-26-73 (insect space)
11-11-73

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 20, 2007 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

I totally agree with you that 8-27-72 dark star is a thing of beauty. I do agree that the too spacey Dark Stars and Playin's can lose my interest sometimes [not a huge fan of the Rotterdam DS] but this one is really nice and flowing. Check out the Sunshine Daydream video for a real good look at this beauty of a performance.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Aug 19, 2007 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

Being the longest, Rotterdam (5-11-72) is perhaps obvious, but it has some amazing playing--even before the outrageous space stuff. And (as I know I've said before) I love Jerry's tone in 2-28-69, particularly starting about six minutes in. Also, what WT said.

Now, for the worst Dark Star (that I've heard, anyway), be sure to check out 12-31-78. It's like Phil completely forgot the rhythmic formulae.

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Poster: esreveRDelay Date: Aug 20, 2007 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

I think it's that way because it's a Dark Star/Other One loop.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 19, 2007 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

gah! i've listened to all of these, and they belong in my favorites. that 5/11/72 one doesn't get too much play because of the length though. although it's a fierce DS. Im gunna check out that "worst DS" though. sounds tasty :]

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Aug 19, 2007 9:37pm
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člen určitý tajemný hvězdičkou před říjen třicet devatenáct sedmdesát trojka is sladký.užívat a mír.tygr

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Poster: latebutdeadicated Date: Aug 20, 2007 8:13am
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10 30 73 you say, i will try it

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 9:44pm
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shit tygr, you're starting to scare me, but bluedevil might have something more pointed to say regarding your post

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Poster: one toke over the line Date: Aug 19, 2007 10:15pm
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1/2/70- so beautiful it almost makes me cry everytime

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 20, 2007 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Stars [that don't get... quiet or.. dare i say, 'boring']

To me a Dark Star that stays focused and has great continuity is the one from 12-31-81.It's "only" about 14 minutes long, but it is exquisite! There is no boredom factor in this one. Of all the Dark Stars I saw, this one is my favorite.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-31.sbd.bertha-ashley.12784.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 20, 2007 11:39pm
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Remember when folks posted links w/ their recommendations.....heh.

Thanks Purple. Since you have taken the time to make it SO easy, I'll check it out!